Laurie Goode
Saurin, Stormtrooper, X-Wing pilot (A New Hope)
Interview: May 2010
How did you get started in the movie business?
I guess the interest in Star Wars has been around for
sometime, but I didn’t realize it existed until one day, out of the
blue, Convention Guests contacted me with an offer of appearing at an
event in Cheshunt. Since then I have attended various conventions in the
UK as well as Germany and the Netherlands, and the two questions I’m
frequently asked are: “How did you start out in the movie business?” and
“How did you get to work on Star Wars?”
Well, I really didn’t have any aspirations to become an actor; I was
more interested in playing music. I had mastered the guitar in my early
teens, and set my sights on plucking the strings on stage, eventually
forming a band with some guys who had attended Barbara Speake stage
school; famous pupils include Sharon Osbourne and Free lead guitarist Paul Kossoff.
At one point I did some recording with an unknown drummer called Phil
Collins, and we all know what happened to him! In those days there were
bands everywhere, and you had to have a great deal of drive and someone
with a knowledgeable head to guide you; something we never really
acquired, but nevertheless, it was an experience I’m glad I didn’t miss.
So, enter Viktor Ritelis. Vik used to visit a sketch artist at the
Fulham house where I then lived. He went on to direct TV films such as The Sweeny, Blake’s 7, and Secret Army. On the second occasion of meeting the guy, he offered me an extra role on a production he was involved in: Adam Adamant,
at the BBC. Whilst doing the job, I discovered that most of the other
background artists were working through an agency called Jeff Shane,
which I promptly joined. I then became an Equity member and enrolled on
the books of further agents.
If a film offer clashed with any kind of music I was involved in, I
could always give that priority and turn the film work down. So it all
fitted in quite nicely, but unfortunately members of the band eventually
went their separate ways. One, Vernon Austin, re-emerged some years
later playing lead guitar in The Leyton Buzzards; a punk band that
appeared on Top of the Pops a few times.
Anyhow, as all that came to an end, I began landing some feature roles
in commercials, which were well paid, but I still had the desire, and
time, to be involved with music, so I set up a mobile disco with a
wonderfully spirited girl called Chrissy McGowan, who was in her mid
twenties. We used to run a competition for the best male dancer; the
prize being a snog from Chrissy and, of course, the best looking guy
always won! Although we had regular clients, the lugging of all the
equipment about became an arduous task. Enthusiasm began to fade, and
after eighteen months or so, we called it a day. Sadly, Chrissy died of
TB a couple of years later.
So, that’s how it all started for me. I tried to get into music, but ended up on the film set!
You played three parts in Star Wars: A New Hope: Saurin, a
Stormtrooper and an X-Wing pilot. How did you get cast for this movie
and these parts?
As for appearing in Star Wars: A New Hope, I didn’t know I
would be working on the production until the day before. I was a
replacement stormtrooper for the late Peter Dukes, who had cried off
sick, and as we had the same measurements, the agency sent me along. I
didn’t know what I would be wearing until I went along to the dressing
room, and searched for a costume that had Peter’s label on it. As I
pulled this plastic armor-like outfit off the clothes rack, I thought:
“Gawd, what’s this?”
According to my diary, I began filming in April 1976. I remember the
weather was extremely hot. We were experiencing the type of heat we
would normally expect in mid July. Anyhow, there were about twenty five
of us stormtroopers hanging around the studio, sweltering under the
white plastic, awaiting direction. There were also some rebel guards, I
can’t remember how many, but fewer than the guys in white!
There didn’t appear to be any sense of urgency in the studio, and by mid
morning only a few of us had taken part in two or three scenes.
I can’t recall exactly why, it might have been that we were making too
much noise probable cause or that the first assistant thought the studio
heat was too much for us. Anyhow, we were ushered outside, where we
made ourselves comfortable on an area of grass adjacent to the set;
removed the upper parts of our costumes, and began to soak up the sun.
Each time a new scene required bodies, one of the assistants would
venture out to our sunbathing spot, and ask for the presence of those
that were needed.
It was, perhaps, the morning of the second or third day, when one of the
assistants came to our sun field and instructed me, with some others,
to go onto the set. I hadn’t been feeling too well, and as I stood up to
don the upper part of my stormtroopers outfit, my stomach began to
rumble. Oh no, I thought, diarrhea! One effort to release the flatulence
and I’d be well in trouble! I made my way to the set, where I informed
likeable assistant, Gerry Gavigan, of my predicament. Carry on, he told
me, and as I exited the studio for the loo. I had to scurry, as large
steps might have caused a disaster. I eventually made it to the loo, and
breathed a deep sigh of relief, but I wasn’t yet free of danger. I
jumped about in the cubicle as panic set in, trying to remember how to
get the damn costume off! I could feel time was running short, but
suddenly, I found the answer, prized it off, sat on the pan, and closed
my eyes, with runs of sweat trickling down my face.
Anyhow, no sooner had I ventured back to the set, when I had to revisit
the loo again. This was repeated two or three more times, so I
eventually managed to get some medicine, and by the time we all had had
lunch, my condition began to clear up.
Having returned to our sun-filled resting spot, I was called back to the
set, placed in shot, and directed to march down one of the space ships
passageways, to the left of others, towards the camera. As I was still
feeling somewhat queasy, my concentration wasn’t at it’s best, and as I
emerged from the tunnel, my helmet hit a section of the gantry. We all
then, as directed, came to a halt. I waited for someone to shout cut,
but no one did, so I assumed I was out of frame.
Now the question is was I the stormtrooper whom banged his head in shot?
Well, I’ve been telling this story for years, but over recent times,
I’ve been informed by various Star Wars enthusiasts that some
others have claimed the incident happened to them in exactly the same
way. It feels like my own story of events has boomeranged back to me.
Still, I’m not going say it was definitely me, and I can’t see how
others can undeniably claim it was them. The helmets were difficult to
see out of, and people were bumping around all over the place. It would
have been indisputable had George Lucas, or his assistant, giving the
guilty party a rollicking, as the person would have then been
identified. So, whoever was the stormtrooper who bumped his helmet, and
didn’t have an angry finger wagged at him, God only knows. One thing you
can try, is to go onto YouTube, and if you think the ungainly
stormtrooper is about to crap his pants, it’ll give you a clue as to
where you can pin the donkeys tail!
Anyhow, I carried on filming up until the Thursday before Easter. As we
wrapped, one of the assistants invited us all to go to a certain stage
where, he informed us, there would be an Easter present for everyone.
Well, I was in my mid twenties, up for a laugh, so sure, I went along!
As we entered the stage, we found ourselves staring at, perhaps, four
tables similar to those use by decorators for pasting full of Easter
eggs and cans of booze. It was all much of a surprise, because the
whisper was that the film didn’t have much of a budget. Anyhow, I
believe some music began pounding out, and the night went off well. A
good beginning to the Easter break, I thought.
There is a story on the internet regarding your part as
Saurin. The article claims that Saurin was not played by you and you
weren’t in the Cantina scene. All the other sources that it was you in
that scene, so I believe that. Still, can you comment on this?
Not so long ago, I received an email from one of the collectors,
which stated there is a site that claims I didn’t play the role of
Saurin in the Cantina sequence. The email contained the information from
the site, which went on about someone who knew someone who worked for
someone in the wardrobe department, well; something similar to that, and
apparently my name doesn’t appear on any list of characters for the
Cantina scenes. Now, I would assume these people are die-hard Star Wars enthusiasts, but it appears they know very little about the way filming works.
So, let’s go back to my first weeks filming. At one point Gerry Gavigan
asked me what my measurements were. Having told him, he sent my along to
the wardrobe department, as another replacement, for one of the girls
who was to play the other Saurin. Again, for some reason, she was also
unable to make the shot.
Anyhow, I managed to squeeze the helmet on, and also the upper part of
the costume, but the bottom half was difficult, so the wardrobe people
did a made-up, there-and-then, job on me. There is one photo in
circulation, which was taken in the Cantina, where I can be seen holding
my arm aloft. If you study at the bottom part of the costume, you can
see it is bulky and ill-fitting around the waste, with large boots; not
the finished article the designer would have been proud of!
Now, I reiterate, I had replaced Peter Dukes as stormtrooper, and now
this girl, whose name I can’t remember, as Saurin. So do these people
really believe that the wardrobe department are going to backtrack over
every wardrobe list that has been drawn up, and cross off Peter Dukes,
and this other girl’s name, and insert mine? Can we expect George Lucas
to issue orders that, Laurie Goode’s name must be inserted on every
wardrobe list in the UK and also any list that might exist in the USA!
Get real people! Maybe these guys should set up a forum for Miss Marple!
Still, I relax in comfort knowing that they have their information on me
wrong, so I suspect, they must have made mistakes on others. I’d be
glad to hear of any other stories of mistakes they have made.
Can you share some memories regarding the filming of the Cantina scene? It is one of the most memorable movie scenes ever!
The filming in the Cantina was extremely uncomfortable. I thought the
stormtroopers headgear was bad enough, but Saurins head was
unbelievably stifling; barely able to breath, and what I breathed out,
would remain in the helmet, to be inhaled again!
On my first days filming of the Cantina scenes, I remember sitting with
Pam Rose, Leesub Sirln, wondering if I should introduce myself to the
other Saurin, Barbara Frankland, but we were eventually placed together,
and we spoke about the difficulties we had in breathing through the
helmets. I explained that if you put a hand into the mouth, it would be
better ventilation, which she did, and there are photos of her doing
exactly that.
You were directed by George Lucas. What impression did he make?
I’m often asked about George Lucas, especially what it was like to
work with him. We must remember George was in his early thirties, and at
the time, still on the climb, so he was very patient about the filming,
and let it take its course without any fuss. There was point when I
felt a bit sorry for him. One morning, after a shot in the Cantina, an
assistant made an announcement about a photo shoot. He said there would
be a crew and cast photo session at lunch time, before the resumption of
filming, and anyone who wanted to attend could do so. I assumed all the
main actors and top crew members would be there, and thought it would
be silly for me to bother, but on my way back from lunch, I spotted a
group of about sixteen people having some shots taken. There was George
standing in the middle of twelve or so background monsters, with three
or four crew members, so I thought I’d be joining in. As I paced towards
the group, with the photographers snapping away, I remember George
looking around, as though he was searching for more high profile actors
and crew members to join in, and finding their absence somewhat
embarrassing. No sooner had I joined the group, when the photographer
announced he ran out of film. I think I might have sneaked in on two
shots, but I’ve never seen the contact sheets, so I guess Ill never
know. Has anyone got them?
The third role you played was a Rebel Pilot in the briefing scene. What do you recall from that scene?
That’s that, I thought, job done! I didn’t really think I’d take part
in the film again, but three weeks later I was called back. This time
in my own name, Laurence Goode, and then I was back again in June, and
for a further couple of days in July I think. At one point throughout
that period I played an X-wing pilot. I remember thinking: Oh no, not
that dreaded stormtroopers costume again, and was relieved to be giving
an X-wing pilot’s outfit to wear.
You can play the guitar, wrote for The Beat Magazine and you were very interested in a career in music.
Suppose you could compose a song for the Cantina scene. What kind a song would that be?
It’s strange really, people now know about my past connection with
music, and every time I attend a convention there’s usually someone who
asks me a question about the subject. One I remember was: If you were to
write a song about Star Wars, what kind of song would it be?
Well, I’ve had this melodic marching song in my head for years, and it
hit me one day, maybe I could write a stormtroopers Christmas song! The
only trouble is copyright. Would our dear George allow it to happen?
Maybe he would if it was a charity number. I’m sure we could get enough
stormtroopers for the video. So, you see, I could end up in music after
all!
Many thanks for the interview! I highly enjoyed your stories!
